Yes words have meaning. Unfortunately for Hoagland, in this case
(to paraphrase The Princess Bride) that word doesn't mean what he thinks
it means. I found a discussion about it from some folks who actually
know what they are talking about here.
1 a
: a large seagoing vessel b : a sailing vessel having a bowsprit and
usually three masts each composed of a lower mast, a topmast, and a
topgallant mast 2 : boat; especially : one propelled by power or sail 3 : a ship's crew
Yes it is. He also never answers his critics. Perhaps no one is taking his calls and he got bored?
June 13, 2012 8:34 PM
Anonymous said...
Wow, you actually got an email from the giant o' science himself?! Well done!
Hoagland
is SUCH a weasel - an oily weasel trying to wriggle and squirm his way
out of BEING WRONG. If his giant, self-adulating ego wasn't the size of
19.5 jupiter's he would just just admit he made a mistake, but we know
that will never ever happen.
Even his most loyal of sheep would
surely know "spacecraft" or "spaceship" to mean exactly what we ALL
think of by those very words.
This is a guy who is an "expert" at
connecting the dots and reading between the lines, and yet has to argue
over the possible meanings of words to avoid being shown to be a
liar?!?... I mean, it's not like time and time again he said how
"interesting" it was that YU55 was described as 'aircraft-carrier size'
instead of "big"; and that the folk at NASA used the words 'structures'
when reporting on photos of YU55/Vesta etc. (As we all know,
'structures' can ONLY mean artificial buildings built by lifeforms and
has no other possible geological meaning whatsoever).
I wonder
what Dick's definition of the word "science" or "scientists" is, or
"proof", or "hyper-dimensional"?... (hopefully we can purchase Dick's
Dictionary to supplement the third book?)
Anon, That's the thing. If you picked the random Hoagland
fan and asked him/her if a spacecraft is a spaceship, they'd say yes. In
fact, most people (in and out of the business) would say yes. Hoagland
is making an artificial distinction to cover the fact that he lied to a
national audience to get rid of a nasty question about how he wasted
weeks of his fans' lives with this nonsense. His only defense of the act
is a "it depends on what the meaning of the word is is" one. Pathetic.
June 14, 2012 4:18 AM
Trekker said...
Great achievement there, Expat, in getting a reply from him!
Would
you be so daring as to try again, and see if you can get an explanation
for his 'stunning' silence following the Venus Transit, and his plans
for refunding the funds donated by his fans? Even some of those docile
creatures are starting to get restless!
Expat, I'm cartoonishly startled that you managed to solicit a
response from Hoagland without offering him money and, incredulously,
without being labelled an MI6 operative.
I'm unsurprised by the
reply. Hoagland (to my knowledge) has never admitted to being wrong
about anything. Ever. I knew what he would say before I read his reply.
Both he and Bara play the same word games when it suits their agenda.
Just as NASA can be trusted when the "Big Man" decrees it so.
I
wonder, regarding the recent cutoff you had on a radio show. Where Bara
was guest, and you asked, "how many shuttle launches fitted with his
ritual alignment model ?" If he spawned a litter of kittens whilst
making the throat-cut gesture to the host.
I also wonder if you have a link to the broadcast.
Next,
and continuing on the agenda will be; The John Carter movie, the
Prometheus movie, and the narrowing of the proposed landing ellipse of
Curiosity. And of course whatever the HD "model" predicted this week.
I'd
easily wager fifty new pence (remember I'm a Scot) that the juggernaut
of contemporary science is, as I write, honing his photoshop skills.
The Mike Bara radio show was on blogtalkradio "The Bright Side." This might be a link to it: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/brightside1/2012/05/27/the-bright-side-show
BTW Hoagland covered the adjustment to the landing ellipse of
Curiosity, in a short appearance on C2C a few nights ago (thus proving
that they haven't cut him off totally, just refused to play host to his
Inaccutron rubbish.) He said the reason for it was to hurry the trip to
the central peak so that the announcement that a civilization has been
found could be made before the election.
When that announcement
doesn't happen, of course, he'll drop the subject. Not a chance he'll
ever say "I guess I was wrong, then."
June 15, 2012 7:54 AM
Anonymous said...
HAHAHA - that's the funniest thing I've read in ages!
So
let me get this right, the RITUAL DRIVEN NASA - the people who cannot
"go to the bathroom without the right celestial alignment, George", the
people who have managed humanity and hidden knowledge for years in
accordance with ritual, have now just suddenly decided to speed-up
Curiosity's mission and forget all about ritual timings and alignments,
because re-incarnated sphinx pharaoh emperor king barry is going to seal
an election victory by announcing to the world life has been found on
mars???? (You know, just in case his political policies on the wars or
the economy or healthcare don't seal a win).
Obviously those evil
republicans would cover up such information (unless Mitt is a Hawaiian
Mormon) and so all those NASA heads are only too happy to help out barry
- or perhaps they're all on his drone list and are being forced to
speed up the mission or else!... Makes perfect sense if you're as good
at reading between the lines as Captain Enterprise is!
Then
again... Surely the REAL powers behind the scenes that have been keeping
secrets for 70 years (if not thousands), have "star trek technology"
beyond anything we can imagine, might just have something to say about
this??? (after all, this is one of those times we CAN trust NASA,
right?!) Wait, hang on a minute, what am I doing applying logic to show
how ridiculous Dick's notion is - back to the fantasy thinking.......
Imma have to find that C2C clip - tis the most wonderfully absurd thing I've heard in a while! Classic Dick!
And
yes, not a word will be said about such "non-prediction" when alien
life is NOT announced to the world... unless Dick is right for once - in
which case, I sure hope barry has his teleprompter switched on or he'll
have to leak the announcement in his next christmas card secret message
- and I for one would love to see our economy increase 17x (obviously
16x and 18x is just ludicrous) because of the golden age that will
happen instantly. What channel is The View on again? I want to stay
tuned so I don't miss the most important event in human history!!!!
(Obviously that's the logical place he'd announce it, right?!)
Here's
hoping Curiosity has some pretty big buckets attached to pick up extra
campaign funds from those martians - or we might never know the truth,
and Hoagie might miss his chance to go down in history as the greatest
scientist of all time.......
June 15, 2012 8:26 AM
Anonymous said...
I found the C2C clip - including Dick's nonchalant "disclosure"
that he will be doing a full show in a couple of days (he's gracious
enough to give us peons his time and the inside scoop on whats really
happening behind the scenes) - and he does indeed state that nasa/barry
will announce 'biological methane sources on mars, ergo potential life'.
(oh the irony of a man who is full of shit talking about methane!)
Obviously
he doesn't do predictions, but it certainly sounded like one... but we
all know how slimey Dick is with words and meaning and inferences. (I
wonder what he means by "announce" and "will" and "biological life"? I
thought Curiosity was nuclear powered so it could go inside the
apartment blocks of our ancestors? Or does "methane sources" mean a
martian donkey has been discovered and nasa needs more money to go get
it?... It would be wrong for me to assume the meaning of such a
statement without Dick's Dictionary.
He said this on Jun-13 C2C's
- does anyone know if this has been discussed on his FB page since? I
don't see any sign of it - surely this is exactly the sort of thing his
legion of sheep would be facebook-fapping to non-stop?!
The Fuckbook page is on hiatus for the moment -- this has
happened before. Another heroine using the name Sarah Bilgri has partly
filled the vaccum with some words of wisdom:
Sarah Bilgri: "Look,
there is nothing wrong with thinking outside the box. Contrary to what
Hoagland seems to believe, many great scientists have made many great
discoveries by doing just that. But this is a joke. Hoagland solicited a
ridiculous amount of funds for an expedition that could have cost much
less, and where is he with the stunning results-any results-that many of
you had directly contributed to? A week and more of complete and utter
silence. Pay attention, guys-nobody's suppressing these "amazing
discoveries". You've got a senior citizen who (unlike a real scientist)
can't afford ANY logical questions regarding his methods to remain. Read
this carefully before it disappears. This guy's an old clown with
shattered dreams of being a respected scientist. The only ones not
laughing are you guys. 32,000 people in the whole world-many who are
friends only out of casual interest-for a lifetime of work. Take a look
at Paris Hilton's friends and then ask yourself what kind of impact this
crap will ever have on the world. Well done, Hoagie. I'm sure your
legend will only grow."
Teddy Kidd: "What's age got to do with it?"
Sarah
Bilgri: "Age is not an issue in itself; but it illustrative in this
case of Hoagland's lack of penetration despite more than two decades of
"stunning results". His life has been so completely wasted. He likes to
reference his more than 30,000 Facebook friends, as if such a biased
audience indicates that he's getting anywhere with anyone of importance.
He's gone from brief appearances on "real" programs like CNN and
semi-real presentations at venues such as the UN to preaching to the
choir at like-minded conferences and counting his fans on Facebook, a
venue where people who already know about him seek him out. In all, it's
not a bad thing that he's old; my Grandpa is more than twenty years
older and can look back on a life of service to his country and raising a
loving and successful family. Hoagland will bleat out his nonsense for
another decade or two and then be forgotten except by those who don't
know how to draw logical conclusions."
June 15, 2012 9:35 AM
Anonymous said...
I'm still very surprised none of his faithful picked up on his
statement: to say the pres *will* announce the discovery of "biological
life" on another planet in a couple of months is surely the biggest
statement Dick's ever made - it would be history-making if it were true.
There's
usually always people writing on his FB wall saying "Dick will be on
C2C news tonight"; and his name is indeed listed right there on the C2C
website for Jun13's show - I can't believe his fans aren't all over this
in a frenzy...
It's almost as if every one of those 32,580
"fans" he loves to reference so much aren't actually hanging on his
every word with baited breath as much as they used to... (or as much as
he thinks!!)
By
the way, I have it on good authority that Mae Naught never did get
nuked. She moved to another town, and didn't want to be asked by
facebutt for a cell phone number. That's what happens if they think
somebody has attempted to hack your account.
Expat, The French aren't the only ones who do not see the
difference Hoagland is trying to create. In Carl Sagan's book Pale Blue
Dot there is a chapter named "The Triumph of Voyager". In that chapter,
Sagan uses the terms craft and ship to describe Voyager interchangeably.
At one point in fact, he compares the two Voyagers to the Nina, the
Pinta, and the Santa Maria, vehicles even Hoagland would call ships. So
in this case, Hoagland is attempting to be pseudo-pedantic (pseudo
because his point is based on false knowledge).
Yes Misti, an uneducated hack who has never dealt with a real
program of space exploration has a better idea what these words mean
than an accredited scientist who had a hand in numerous space missions,
wrote a number of NYT best sellers (as in #1 best sellers, not the kind
that barely make the list for one week then disappear) and produced and
hosted an award winning television series. The hack is playing word
games so he doesn't have to admit he lied on national radio to get rid
of a pesky caller who insisted he answer for his error.
Think
about it. He had his followers talking about this nonsense for weeks on
end. He made use of it in a paid video performance (that he suggested
one reader skip a meal to buy, it was that important apparently). He
made it the center of the Hoagland universe, then when it didn't turn
out the way he predicted, he pretended it never happened.
Then
when by some happenstance he gets a question about it on C2C, he shouts
the caller down with a lie. It was the act of a bully and a coward (he
knew Noory would back him up no matter what he did) and his response to
Expat is disingenuous at best. If he really believed that nonsense, he'd
have made the distinction while on the air. He didn't, because he
doesn't. He just wanted the caller to go away.
Sagan made a fair analogy between the mission of Columbus and the
Voyagers' missions, but there are notable distinctions between them.
The ships of Columbus were in fact, ships. Voyager 1 & 2 were too
small to be ships, and they were not manned, so therefore would most
accurately be describes as un-manned craft.
June 17, 2012 3:22 PM
jourget said...
To be fair, I believe Sagan presented the Columbus analogy to
illustrate the pioneering nature of the respective journeys, not the
similarities of the vehicles with which they were accomplished. The
comparison was particularly apropos in the sense that neither expedition
was the first to their respective port of call, though they were both
tremendously historically significant.
Nevertheless, Sagan's
comment is still relevant, because while he undoubtedly realized the
distinction between unmanned spacecraft and manned ships, he considered
the distinction to be so negligible as to be irrelevant.
Are we creeping toward defining "spacecraft" as unmanned and
"spaceship" as manned? I hope not -- I would reject that distinction.
The idea that a spaceship is bigger and more impressive than a mere
spacecraft has some appeal.
jourget, Exactly. Sagan used the words interchangeably
("Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 are the ships that opened the Solar System to
the human species, trailblazing a path for future generations.") because
he saw no difference. He saw no difference because there is no
difference.
The splitting of hairs that Hoagland is attempting
is for the purpose of explaining a lie he said on C2C. He knew what the
caller meant and could have offered the same explanation he gave Expat
that very night. He didn't because it didn't occur to him just then. He
just wanted the caller gone and knew Noory would back his play. He got
rid of the question and the C2C audience was spared the experience of
Hoagland admitting that another one of his wild spaceship chases ended
up being a big fat nothing.
Misti, if you are really going to
use size as a criteria (that's not Hoagland's excuse, but whatever)
consider that Elenin was supposed to be a "craft" the size of a comet.
Most people would consider that big enough to rate the term "ship".
June 17, 2012 4:31 PM
jourget said...
Expat,
I agree that the distinction is invalid, not just
because of the formal definition of the terms, but also because of the
way in which the terms are colloquially used. Since some terms are used
in the real world in very different ways than their formal definition
would imply (for example, submariners referring to their vessels as
"boats" when the subs' sizes would lead many to refer to them as
"ships"), Hoagland's very suggestion that the terms "spacecraft" and
"spaceship" have anything other than a highly subjective,
individualistic definition is laughable. Just another example of RCH's
"my definition is correct, for I am a SCIENTIST!" syndrome.
Ship is large and singular, craft is small and singular as well
as plural. There is no presumptive distinction between manned and
unmanned unless specifically noted. Hoagland only tried to obfuscate
that point because he felt threatened. Sagan could just as easily been
asked for clarification, but I doubt if he would have gotten so
defensive about being asked. Of course, I don't think that Sagan had
anybody just waiting to jump down his throat if he didn't speak as if he
were reciting a dissertation.
June 17, 2012 6:18 PM
jourget said...
Misti,
Again, nobody here is criticizing Hoagland for
using one specific word when he should have used another specific, very
similar word; he would have been spectacularly wrong in either event.
Indeed, HE'S the one who seems to be implying that he's speaking with
the precision of a dissertation whenever he talks about anything,
telling us he very specifically meant to say craft instead of ship for a
specific reason. What everybody here is pointing out is that such an
insignificant distinction is a cheap sidestep to avoid admitting that
the speaker is a moron.
Misti, Hoagland tried to obfuscate the point to cover the
fact that he lied to shut down a line of questioning he wasn't prepared
to deal with. Remember, at the time Hoagland (who has used both words
himself, as Expat pointed out) did not make such a distinction on air.
He simply shouted the guy down.
Sagan wasn't making the
distinction because he didn't see one to make. If asked, he probably
(since that's how he behaved) would have said they are equivalent terms.
A spaceship is a spacecraft.
Oh and to add to the confusion and
show how meaningless these distinctions can be, there is an interesting
example from modern Naval terminology. The average nuclear attack
submarine is both very large and has a crew. This craft is a very
capable warship by anyone's imagination. Yet the term for such a craft
is 'boat'. Now I suppose you could claim that the Navy is wrong and
Hoagland is right, but that wouldn't be very convincing.
Spaceship and spacecraft are not equivalent terms at all, and Carl Sagan could not have correctly claimed them to be synonymous.
Hoagland
tried to say that a spaceship is manned, and a spacecraft is unmanned,
which is not necessarily right or wrong; it depends, but you guys here
went off on a tangent about the proper definition. So far, I'm the only
one who has given the correct usage, you feckless bunch of Bozos.
Misti, The words are seen as equivalent by those who are
actually in the field of space flight. Apollo 11 may not be Mariner 9,
but they are both considered spacecraft and spaceships. Hoagland is
trying to promote a difference that does not exist in common usage, in
an effort to avoid admitting he lied in order to not explain why he blew
it again. He wanted the C2C audience to forget the weeks leading up to
the broadcast where he was comparing Elenin to the ship in Rendezvous
With Rama (which was also unmanned).
No, Hoagland was not trying
to promote what he says is the proper use of words, if he were, he'd
have actually mentioned it at that time. He only mentions it now when
people ask him about the lie. It's called an excuse and has no basis in
reality. Then again, nothing else Hoagland talks about does either.
Lopes, show me an official NASA glossary that succinctly defines
the terms, Spaceship and Spacecraft. You are jumping to erroneous
conclusions, and persist in making a fool of yourself, as well as a
being an all around, general nuisance.
Misti please STOP IT. We already know that there's no essential
difference between a spacecraft and a spaceship. You're just being
rebarbative to amuse yourself. STOP IT.
Pattycakes, you don't know that at all, because in fact, there is
a difference, as I have already illustrated with reference to the
English dictionary.
However, I do recall an interview with either
a NASA engineer or maybe even an astronaut, back during Apollo, where
the expert was saying that the Apollo capsule was almost more of a
spaceship than the Mercurys, because it had some measure of piloted
control.
Actually, that would tend to support Hoagland's argument.
What I recall is Hoagland saying that he believed that Elenin and
YU55 were controlled by intelligent forces, and that their influence
was responsible for the Muslim violence in the Middle East, which he
called positive change.
Richard C Hoagland also broadcast to Art
Bell's audience of 20,000,000 listeners, that Comet Hale-Bopp had a
piloted companion. The Heaven's Gate cult refers to this on their website, which still functions. I do wonder who pays the bill to the webhost for that?
It's interesting that you clowns prefer to split hairs about
terms for technology that has yet to be fully developed, and totally
evade the real issue, which is the subject of intelligent control of
large objects in Space.
This is what I mean about the Roosters
and the Owls. Hoagland spins the truth and so do you posers. The only
difference being you own respective agendas, neither which are
benevolent.
One side claims the most outrageous bullshit as factual, and the other side throws the baby of facts out with the bath water.
Both sides working together to cover up the truth.
Misti, the REAL issue is Richard Hoagland's intellectual
dishonesty. I think that's adequately covered in this blog. Intelligent
control of large objects in space is a sub-set of that overall
discussion. Since there's no evidence that it has ever happened, I think
it's a barren topic, personally.
Let me see if I understand you correctly, Paddy. In your view,
Richard C Hoagland is more dishonest in saying that a Spaceship is
manned, and a Spacecraft is un-manned, then he is to assert that Elenin
and/or YU55 are either?
I personally say that Hoagland has
supported his position better than you have, because I personally
witnessed an expert from NASA say that the Apollo capsule was more like a
Spaceship than a Spacecraft because it had some measure of manned,
pilot control. Whereas Carl Sagan apparently used the terms
interchangeably.
At the very least, Hoagland is on at least as
firm a ground as Sagan on this subject. That's a far cry from
intellectual dishonesty.
The topic of intelligent control of
large objects in Space is far more fair game for you to criticize, for
the very fact that you say it isn't worth mentioning. Hoagland makes
the extraordinary assertion on simple observation.
You cannot possibly sustain a theory that Hoagland requires a
spaceship to be manned, since he clearly described Phobos as such three
times in one essay.
Again, if that were really where Hoagland was going with "I
didn't say it was a spaceship", he'd have said so that night. Hoagland
has never turned down the opportunity to show his 'superior' knowledge
of space science to an audience. Correcting a caller's 'improper' use of
terminology would have been right up his alley. It would have made his
point clear and demonstrated his 'inside' knowledge of the subject. He
didn't do that because that wasn't what was on his mind. Giving the
audience the impression that he didn't really say what he really did say
was what had his mental focus. The word game came latter.
I have heard Hoagland say that Phobos is a derelict Spaceship,
that at one time, it had been occupied by some sort of intelligent
beings.
I don't recall him ever saying if they were biological,
but from what I gather, his view seems to be that they must be human
ancestors from Orion or more specifically, Sirius, perhaps.
Mister Parker. Parks it into Misters. Yeah I went there swArd!
Brutal
austerity + toxic levels of government debt + rising bond yields + a
lack of confidence in the financial system + banks that are massively
overleveraged + a massive credit crunch = A financial implosion of
historic proportions.
I guess you guys must get paid to try and divert everybody's
attention from the fact that this is now 2012. I fail to grasp Dick's
logic that Earth's 26,000 year cycle of Precession which places the
planet closer to Orion now than most other years, could really make any
significant difference in the amount of time it would take to travel
from Orion to Earth, creating a most favorable launch window a number of
years back. I suppose those ancient Spaceships might have needed every
reduction in light years they could manage to cut from the journey, but
you'd think that by now they would have had plenty of time to invent
something faster. They probably should have been here a lot sooner,
unless they feel like they have to wait and honor their scheduled
appointment?
Phobos is big and round. If one were to design a Spaceship that
could create it's own artificial gravity, what better design than a
hollow ball, other than that of a wagon wheel?
June 19, 2012 2:49 PM
Monday, June 18, 2012
Google reports 'alarming' rise in government censorship requests
By John D. Sutter, CNN
updated 12:31 PM EDT, Mon June 18, 2012 | Filed under: Web
Google says government requests to take down content are up compared with last year.
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Google says government requests to remove Web content are way up
In last half of 2011, U.S. agencies asked Google to remove 6,192 pieces of content
That's up 718% compared with the previous six-month period
Google released its biannual transparency report Sunday night
(CNN) -- Western governments, including the United
States, appear to be stepping up efforts to censor Internet search
results and YouTube videos, according to a "transparency report" released by Google.
"It's alarming not only
because free expression is at risk, but because some of these requests
come from countries you might not suspect -- Western democracies not
typically associated with censorship," Dorothy Chou, a senior policy
analyst at Google, wrote in a blog post on Sunday night.
"For example, in the
second half of last year, Spanish regulators asked us to remove 270
search results that linked to blogs and articles in newspapers
referencing individuals and public figures, including mayors and public
prosecutors. In Poland, we received a request from a public institution
to remove links to a site that criticized it. We didn't comply with
either of these requests."
In the last half of 2011,
U.S. agencies asked Google to remove 6,192 individual pieces of content
from its search results, blog posts or archives of online videos,
according to the report. That's up 718% compared with the 757 such items
that U.S. agencies asked Google to remove in the six months prior.
Fighting the great firewall
Overall, Google received
187 requests from United States law enforcement agencies and courts to
remove content from its Web properties from July to December, up 103%
from the 92 requests the Mountain View, California, company received in
the previous reporting period.
In one incident cited in
the report, a U.S. law enforcement agency asked Google to take down a
blog that "allegedly defamed a law enforcement official in a personal
capacity." The company did not comply with that request.
In another, a separate
law enforcement group asked Google to take down 1,400 YouTube videos
(Google owns YouTube) because of "alleged harassment."
And in Canada, the
passport office asked Google to delete a YouTube video "of a Canadian
citizen urinating on his passport and flushing it down the toilet,"
according to the report.
The tech company did not
oblige either of those requests but did comply at least in part with 42%
of the removal requests from the United States in the last half of
2011, the report says.
That number is down considerably compared to previous reports; In the
latter half of 2010, for example, Google said it complied with 87% of
U.S. requests to remove content.
The biannual
transparency report, which includes data to July 2009, also indicates a
rise in world governments' requests to take a look at the data Google
collects about its users. And with those requests, Google tended to be
much more likely to comply.
In the last half of
2011, Google received 6,321 requests for user data from government
agencies in the United States and complied at least in part with 93% of
them, according to data released in the report.
Those requests for
information about Google users come as part of criminal investigations,
Google says, and are not unique to the company.
Google complied more
frequently with U.S.-based requests for information about users than
with requests from other countries, according to the report. It complied
or partially complied with only 24% of such requests from Canada, 44%
from France and 64% from the United Kingdom, for example.
The number of user data
requests Google received from the United States was up 6% over the
previous six-month period and 37% compared with the last half of 2010.
Google says this
increase "isn't surprising, since each year we offer more products and
services, and we have a larger number of users." In the report, the company adds:
"We review each request to make sure that it complies with both the
spirit and the letter of the law, and we may refuse to produce
information or try to narrow the request in some cases."
Writing at Forbes.com, tech columnist Andy Greenberg says
that Google "should be applauded for taking a strong stand against
censorship" but that "the government's increasingly sticky fingers in
Google's databases comes at a sensitive time."
"Google has been
criticized for failing to reveal much about its reported partnership
with the National Security Agency following a Chinese attack on its
systems in 2010," he writes. "And the company has yet to take a stand on
the House's recently-passed Cyber Infrastructure Security and
Protection Act or its equivalents in the Senate, which are designed to
give companies far more leeway to hand data over to government agencies
for security purposes."
BY: Zach Noble -
The U.N. is funneling millions of dollars worth of tradable carbon
credits to corrupt nations worldwide, including Iran, North Korea,
Sudan, and Uzbekistan in an attempt to encourage clean energy projects
in the developing world.
The U.N. Clean Development Mechanism (CDM) is defined
in Article 12 of the Kyoto Protocol. Western European countries fund
energy projects in the developing world in order to obtain Certified
Emission Reduction credits (CERs), tradable credits that enable
Europeans to count foreign emission reductions towards their own
domestic emission reduction targets.
“The CDM started from a page and a half in the Kyoto Protocol,” said
David Abbass, a spokesperson for the U.N. Framework Convention on
Climate Change. “In the beginning they thought there would be maybe 600
projects, but now there are over 4,000 projects.”
Iran, Uzbekistan, Sudan, and North Korea are among the more than 70 countries currently hosting CDM projects.
Iran, with 16 separate CDM projects, brings in around 4.8 million
CERs, worth about $26 million, every year, despite numerous U.N. sanctions against the Islamic Republic.
Uzbekistan, dominated for the last two decades by the autocratic Islam Karimov, hosts 20 different CDM projects, with a combined annual value of over 7.5 million CERs, or roughly $40 million.
Sudan, whose president Omar Hassan al-Bashir came to power via military coup over 20 years ago and is wanted
by the International Criminal Court on charges of genocide, crimes
against humanity, and war crimes in Darfur, is on the receiving end of
two different CDM projects, with a combined annual value of over 180,000
CERs, or almost $1 million.
North Korea is hosting seven hydroelectric dams, which may generate over $1 million in CERs annually.
North Korea, Sudan, and Uzbekistan are among the 10 most corrupt
nations worldwide, according to Transparency International’s 2011 Corruption Perceptions Index.
It is unsurprising that North Korea is using U.N. money to develop
its own infrastructure, said Claudia Rosett, journalist-in-residence at
the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.
“One of the first questions with any U.N. program is, ‘Who is overseeing this?’” said Rosett. “Very often no one is.”
The worldwide expansion of the CDM has been accompanied by “troubling stories in various countries,” said Abbass. “When you have over 4,000 projects, you’ll have some projects in areas in dispute.”
“We learn by doing,” he said. “We’re fixing as we go.”
CDM support is open to any country with the appropriate bureaucratic machinery
in place. Abbass maintained that the CDM is not concerned with human
rights issues and that the Kyoto Protocol merely set up the
system—individual projects “come from interest in the private sector.”
The program was born of European self-righteousness, said Chris
Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
European governments have staked their reputations on environmental
issues, but cannot meet emission reduction targets on their own, he
said.
Europeans therefore “buy phony reductions” through the CDM, said Horner.
“Europeans basically say to the developing world, ‘I’ll pay you not
to treat this byproduct as a waste product,’” said Horner, referring to
numerous CDM projects that focus on reducing perceived waste in the
developing world, from natural gas flaring to the release of methane from farm animals.
More than 83 percent of CDM projects are based in Asia, while Africa
and the Caribbean account for a tiny fraction of CDM projects, according
to U.N.F.C.C.C. data.
CDM projects are concentrated in Asia due to the disastrous
environmental effects of communism and the bureaucratic savvy of China,
experts say.
“Communism created the most intensely wasteful society the world has
ever seen,” said Horner, explaining why former Soviet states in Central
Asia such as Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan receive substantial support
from the CDM.
The Chinese government, an aggressive host
for CDM projects, has manipulated the system, going so far as to
re-open defunct factories in order to get Europeans to pay them to close
them again.
The Chinese are adept at twisting the “mandated inefficiency” of CDM projects to their own benefit, said Horner.
Haiti has set up the bureaucratic mechanisms required to host CDM projects, but is currently sponsoring zero projects.
Dorine Jean-Paul, an energy specialist at Haiti’s Ministry of Environment, decried a lack of support from the U.N.
“I believe the U.N. is not helping the countries that need it the
most,” said Jean-Paul. “Besides some training sessions that are
organized with the U.N. support in the [Latin American and Caribbean]
region, we don’t get assistance or funds for a specific and national
identified need.”
Abbass acknowledged that CDM projects are concentrated in Asia, and
said the under-representation of Africa and the Caribbean might be
addressed at the upcoming Rio +20 conference.
But he also noted that any substantial changes to the CDM could be a long time coming.
"I never said Elenin was a nit-pick"
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noun \ˈkraft\
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plural usually craft a : a boat especially of small size b : aircraft c : spacecraft
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/craft
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ship
noun, often attributive \ˈship\
1
a : a large seagoing vessel b : a sailing vessel having a bowsprit and usually three masts each composed of a lower mast, a topmast, and a topgallant mast
2
: boat; especially : one propelled by power or sail
3
: a ship's crew
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ship?show=0&t=1339643968
Hoagland is SUCH a weasel - an oily weasel trying to wriggle and squirm his way out of BEING WRONG. If his giant, self-adulating ego wasn't the size of 19.5 jupiter's he would just just admit he made a mistake, but we know that will never ever happen.
Even his most loyal of sheep would surely know "spacecraft" or "spaceship" to mean exactly what we ALL think of by those very words.
This is a guy who is an "expert" at connecting the dots and reading between the lines, and yet has to argue over the possible meanings of words to avoid being shown to be a liar?!?... I mean, it's not like time and time again he said how "interesting" it was that YU55 was described as 'aircraft-carrier size' instead of "big"; and that the folk at NASA used the words 'structures' when reporting on photos of YU55/Vesta etc. (As we all know, 'structures' can ONLY mean artificial buildings built by lifeforms and has no other possible geological meaning whatsoever).
I wonder what Dick's definition of the word "science" or "scientists" is, or "proof", or "hyper-dimensional"?... (hopefully we can purchase Dick's Dictionary to supplement the third book?)
Blanche DuBois,Dire Straits...Nice touch.;)
That's the thing. If you picked the random Hoagland fan and asked him/her if a spacecraft is a spaceship, they'd say yes. In fact, most people (in and out of the business) would say yes. Hoagland is making an artificial distinction to cover the fact that he lied to a national audience to get rid of a nasty question about how he wasted weeks of his fans' lives with this nonsense. His only defense of the act is a "it depends on what the meaning of the word is is" one. Pathetic.
Would you be so daring as to try again, and see if you can get an explanation for his 'stunning' silence following the Venus Transit, and his plans for refunding the funds donated by his fans? Even some of those docile creatures are starting to get restless!
How big is big? How small is small?
The Starship Enterprise, is a Spaceship. The Shuttlecraft Galileo, is like a boat.
The big man, Professor, Richard C Hoagland, may be full of ship, but Dick's just a little dinghy.
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I'm cartoonishly startled that you managed to solicit a response from Hoagland without offering him money and, incredulously, without being labelled an MI6 operative.
I'm unsurprised by the reply. Hoagland (to my knowledge) has never admitted to being wrong about anything. Ever. I knew what he would say before I read his reply. Both he and Bara play the same word games when it suits their agenda. Just as NASA can be trusted when the "Big Man" decrees it so.
I wonder, regarding the recent cutoff you had on a radio show. Where Bara was guest, and you asked, "how many shuttle launches fitted with his ritual alignment model ?" If he spawned a litter of kittens whilst making the throat-cut gesture to the host.
I also wonder if you have a link to the broadcast.
Next, and continuing on the agenda will be; The John Carter movie, the Prometheus movie, and the narrowing of the proposed landing ellipse of Curiosity. And of course whatever the HD "model" predicted this week.
I'd easily wager fifty new pence (remember I'm a Scot) that the juggernaut of contemporary science is, as I write, honing his photoshop skills.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/brightside1/2012/05/27/the-bright-side-show
When that announcement doesn't happen, of course, he'll drop the subject. Not a chance he'll ever say "I guess I was wrong, then."
So let me get this right, the RITUAL DRIVEN NASA - the people who cannot "go to the bathroom without the right celestial alignment, George", the people who have managed humanity and hidden knowledge for years in accordance with ritual, have now just suddenly decided to speed-up Curiosity's mission and forget all about ritual timings and alignments, because re-incarnated sphinx pharaoh emperor king barry is going to seal an election victory by announcing to the world life has been found on mars???? (You know, just in case his political policies on the wars or the economy or healthcare don't seal a win).
Obviously those evil republicans would cover up such information (unless Mitt is a Hawaiian Mormon) and so all those NASA heads are only too happy to help out barry - or perhaps they're all on his drone list and are being forced to speed up the mission or else!... Makes perfect sense if you're as good at reading between the lines as Captain Enterprise is!
Then again... Surely the REAL powers behind the scenes that have been keeping secrets for 70 years (if not thousands), have "star trek technology" beyond anything we can imagine, might just have something to say about this??? (after all, this is one of those times we CAN trust NASA, right?!) Wait, hang on a minute, what am I doing applying logic to show how ridiculous Dick's notion is - back to the fantasy thinking.......
Imma have to find that C2C clip - tis the most wonderfully absurd thing I've heard in a while! Classic Dick!
And yes, not a word will be said about such "non-prediction" when alien life is NOT announced to the world... unless Dick is right for once - in which case, I sure hope barry has his teleprompter switched on or he'll have to leak the announcement in his next christmas card secret message - and I for one would love to see our economy increase 17x (obviously 16x and 18x is just ludicrous) because of the golden age that will happen instantly. What channel is The View on again? I want to stay tuned so I don't miss the most important event in human history!!!! (Obviously that's the logical place he'd announce it, right?!)
Here's hoping Curiosity has some pretty big buckets attached to pick up extra campaign funds from those martians - or we might never know the truth, and Hoagie might miss his chance to go down in history as the greatest scientist of all time.......
Obviously he doesn't do predictions, but it certainly sounded like one... but we all know how slimey Dick is with words and meaning and inferences. (I wonder what he means by "announce" and "will" and "biological life"? I thought Curiosity was nuclear powered so it could go inside the apartment blocks of our ancestors? Or does "methane sources" mean a martian donkey has been discovered and nasa needs more money to go get it?... It would be wrong for me to assume the meaning of such a statement without Dick's Dictionary.
He said this on Jun-13 C2C's - does anyone know if this has been discussed on his FB page since? I don't see any sign of it - surely this is exactly the sort of thing his legion of sheep would be facebook-fapping to non-stop?!
Sarah Bilgri: "Look, there is nothing wrong with thinking outside the box. Contrary to what Hoagland seems to believe, many great scientists have made many great discoveries by doing just that. But this is a joke. Hoagland solicited a ridiculous amount of funds for an expedition that could have cost much less, and where is he with the stunning results-any results-that many of you had directly contributed to? A week and more of complete and utter silence. Pay attention, guys-nobody's suppressing these "amazing discoveries". You've got a senior citizen who (unlike a real scientist) can't afford ANY logical questions regarding his methods to remain. Read this carefully before it disappears. This guy's an old clown with shattered dreams of being a respected scientist. The only ones not laughing are you guys. 32,000 people in the whole world-many who are friends only out of casual interest-for a lifetime of work. Take a look at Paris Hilton's friends and then ask yourself what kind of impact this crap will ever have on the world. Well done, Hoagie. I'm sure your legend will only grow."
Teddy Kidd: "What's age got to do with it?"
Sarah Bilgri: "Age is not an issue in itself; but it illustrative in this case of Hoagland's lack of penetration despite more than two decades of "stunning results". His life has been so completely wasted. He likes to reference his more than 30,000 Facebook friends, as if such a biased audience indicates that he's getting anywhere with anyone of importance. He's gone from brief appearances on "real" programs like CNN and semi-real presentations at venues such as the UN to preaching to the choir at like-minded conferences and counting his fans on Facebook, a venue where people who already know about him seek him out. In all, it's not a bad thing that he's old; my Grandpa is more than twenty years older and can look back on a life of service to his country and raising a loving and successful family. Hoagland will bleat out his nonsense for another decade or two and then be forgotten except by those who don't know how to draw logical conclusions."
There's usually always people writing on his FB wall saying "Dick will be on C2C news tonight"; and his name is indeed listed right there on the C2C website for Jun13's show - I can't believe his fans aren't all over this in a frenzy...
It's almost as if every one of those 32,580 "fans" he loves to reference so much aren't actually hanging on his every word with baited breath as much as they used to... (or as much as he thinks!!)
By the way, I have it on good authority that Mae Naught never did get nuked. She moved to another town, and didn't want to be asked by facebutt for a cell phone number. That's what happens if they think somebody has attempted to hack your account.
The French aren't the only ones who do not see the difference Hoagland is trying to create. In Carl Sagan's book Pale Blue Dot there is a chapter named "The Triumph of Voyager". In that chapter, Sagan uses the terms craft and ship to describe Voyager interchangeably. At one point in fact, he compares the two Voyagers to the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria, vehicles even Hoagland would call ships. So in this case, Hoagland is attempting to be pseudo-pedantic (pseudo because his point is based on false knowledge).
Think about it. He had his followers talking about this nonsense for weeks on end. He made use of it in a paid video performance (that he suggested one reader skip a meal to buy, it was that important apparently). He made it the center of the Hoagland universe, then when it didn't turn out the way he predicted, he pretended it never happened.
Then when by some happenstance he gets a question about it on C2C, he shouts the caller down with a lie. It was the act of a bully and a coward (he knew Noory would back him up no matter what he did) and his response to Expat is disingenuous at best. If he really believed that nonsense, he'd have made the distinction while on the air. He didn't, because he doesn't. He just wanted the caller to go away.
Bien merde alors !
Is the closest expression of which I can think
Nevertheless, Sagan's comment is still relevant, because while he undoubtedly realized the distinction between unmanned spacecraft and manned ships, he considered the distinction to be so negligible as to be irrelevant.
Exactly. Sagan used the words interchangeably ("Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 are the ships that opened the Solar System to the human species, trailblazing a path for future generations.") because he saw no difference. He saw no difference because there is no difference.
The splitting of hairs that Hoagland is attempting is for the purpose of explaining a lie he said on C2C. He knew what the caller meant and could have offered the same explanation he gave Expat that very night. He didn't because it didn't occur to him just then. He just wanted the caller gone and knew Noory would back his play. He got rid of the question and the C2C audience was spared the experience of Hoagland admitting that another one of his wild spaceship chases ended up being a big fat nothing.
Misti, if you are really going to use size as a criteria (that's not Hoagland's excuse, but whatever) consider that Elenin was supposed to be a "craft" the size of a comet. Most people would consider that big enough to rate the term "ship".
I agree that the distinction is invalid, not just because of the formal definition of the terms, but also because of the way in which the terms are colloquially used. Since some terms are used in the real world in very different ways than their formal definition would imply (for example, submariners referring to their vessels as "boats" when the subs' sizes would lead many to refer to them as "ships"), Hoagland's very suggestion that the terms "spacecraft" and "spaceship" have anything other than a highly subjective, individualistic definition is laughable. Just another example of RCH's "my definition is correct, for I am a SCIENTIST!" syndrome.
Again, nobody here is criticizing Hoagland for using one specific word when he should have used another specific, very similar word; he would have been spectacularly wrong in either event. Indeed, HE'S the one who seems to be implying that he's speaking with the precision of a dissertation whenever he talks about anything, telling us he very specifically meant to say craft instead of ship for a specific reason. What everybody here is pointing out is that such an insignificant distinction is a cheap sidestep to avoid admitting that the speaker is a moron.
Hoagland tried to obfuscate the point to cover the fact that he lied to shut down a line of questioning he wasn't prepared to deal with. Remember, at the time Hoagland (who has used both words himself, as Expat pointed out) did not make such a distinction on air. He simply shouted the guy down.
Sagan wasn't making the distinction because he didn't see one to make. If asked, he probably (since that's how he behaved) would have said they are equivalent terms. A spaceship is a spacecraft.
Oh and to add to the confusion and show how meaningless these distinctions can be, there is an interesting example from modern Naval terminology. The average nuclear attack submarine is both very large and has a crew. This craft is a very capable warship by anyone's imagination. Yet the term for such a craft is 'boat'. Now I suppose you could claim that the Navy is wrong and Hoagland is right, but that wouldn't be very convincing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmFRvpwVSwo
;)
Hoagland tried to say that a spaceship is manned, and a spacecraft is unmanned, which is not necessarily right or wrong; it depends, but you guys here went off on a tangent about the proper definition. So far, I'm the only one who has given the correct usage, you feckless bunch of Bozos.
The words are seen as equivalent by those who are actually in the field of space flight. Apollo 11 may not be Mariner 9, but they are both considered spacecraft and spaceships. Hoagland is trying to promote a difference that does not exist in common usage, in an effort to avoid admitting he lied in order to not explain why he blew it again. He wanted the C2C audience to forget the weeks leading up to the broadcast where he was comparing Elenin to the ship in Rendezvous With Rama (which was also unmanned).
No, Hoagland was not trying to promote what he says is the proper use of words, if he were, he'd have actually mentioned it at that time. He only mentions it now when people ask him about the lie. It's called an excuse and has no basis in reality. Then again, nothing else Hoagland talks about does either.
However, I do recall an interview with either a NASA engineer or maybe even an astronaut, back during Apollo, where the expert was saying that the Apollo capsule was almost more of a spaceship than the Mercurys, because it had some measure of piloted control.
Actually, that would tend to support Hoagland's argument.
It's a dead hulk like all of Misti's blogs. HHMSS Sword. Misti is this liar SwArd.
Richard C Hoagland also broadcast to Art Bell's audience of 20,000,000 listeners, that Comet Hale-Bopp had a piloted companion. The Heaven's Gate cult refers to this on their website, which still functions. I do wonder who pays the bill to the webhost for that?
Chuck Shramek's Hale-Bopp Companion Page Hale-Bopp Companion
The Art Bell Web Page #1 Late Night Talk Radio Program
NASA Images from NASA
Whitley Strieber UFO News!
Phobos is, indeed ... "an artificial spaceship!"...
3 sentences later:
Phobos could be an "intelligently-created, giant spacecraft"
Steins also turned out to be a ship ... a 3-mile-wide, ancient spaceship orbiting the sun...
Next sentence:
A giant spacecraft shaped, ultimately ... like a truncated "double tetrahedron!"
This is what I mean about the Roosters and the Owls. Hoagland spins the truth and so do you posers. The only difference being you own respective agendas, neither which are benevolent.
One side claims the most outrageous bullshit as factual, and the other side throws the baby of facts out with the bath water.
Both sides working together to cover up the truth.
If the shoe fits, Cinderella, delete it.
I personally say that Hoagland has supported his position better than you have, because I personally witnessed an expert from NASA say that the Apollo capsule was more like a Spaceship than a Spacecraft because it had some measure of manned, pilot control. Whereas Carl Sagan apparently used the terms interchangeably.
At the very least, Hoagland is on at least as firm a ground as Sagan on this subject. That's a far cry from intellectual dishonesty.
The topic of intelligent control of large objects in Space is far more fair game for you to criticize, for the very fact that you say it isn't worth mentioning. Hoagland makes the extraordinary assertion on simple observation.
Troll Alert!
I don't recall him ever saying if they were biological, but from what I gather, his view seems to be that they must be human ancestors from Orion or more specifically, Sirius, perhaps.
What does that do to your guys nit picking?
Sphincter Boy
Brutal austerity + toxic levels of government debt + rising bond yields + a lack of confidence in the financial system + banks that are massively overleveraged + a massive credit crunch = A financial implosion of historic proportions.
There is nothing planned that could get anywhere in 10 THOUSAND years.
AND
Zero-Gee kills in two years.
They plan to go at night.