...and not just any sneaker, but a Nike
sneaker. Hoagland said he's putting together a video presentation of
the many "unmistakably artificial" objects captured by the cameras of
Curiosity since the triumphant landing on 6th August. Apparently he
showed some of these to a paying audience at the recent Conscious Life
Expo in Los Angeles, and was rewarded by "an audible gasp" when the
sneaker had its Powerpoint moment of fame. We'll have to wait for his
video to see what he means (and by the way, he said it will be free—that
produced an audible gasp from me), but I suspect it'll just be this
smooth rock imaged by the navigation camera quite early in the mission.
[Image]
credit: NASA/JPL
Update: This may not be "the authentic" sneakerpic. See comment by Anonymous, comment #15.
You have to wonder about the mental age of his audience, who
apparently didn't stop to think a) How Hoagland knew it was a Nike, or
b) WTF a sneaker of any kind would be doing on Mars, where they don't
play basketball or even tennis.
However, the primary sujet du jour was not sports footwear, but methane.
Methane on Mars
"The bottom line is that we have no detection of methane so
far," said Chris Webster at a JPL press conference yesterday. Webster is
the man on the Tunable Laser Spectrometer, which could have
detected methane at a concentration as low as 10 parts per billion, if
it had been present. Richard Hoagland was hustled (or maybe hustled
himself) onto the radio show to comment.
Hoagland, actually, did not get it all wrong. He reminded us
that methane in the Martian atmosphere appears to be a seasonal phenom,
and Curiosity is in winter conditions right now. He said "this is a
first look, just one data point." All that is true. He reminded us that
micro-biological activity is not the only possible explanation for the
emanations, and that the true test will come if and when the JPL boffins
can detect which carbon isotope Martian methane favors (C12 would be a
strong indicator for biology rather than volcanism.) True again1. Well
done.
If only he'd stopped there, we could all have gone back to sleep
a little wiser. But no, he had to spoil it in the second hour by
proposing a third possible methane theory—namely, that the gas was
periodically oozing out of the long-buried rotting remains of the Great
Martian Civilization that built the Face at Owen Mesa before being
obliterated by a planet-busting impact 65 million years ago. That, of
course, has no chance whatever of being the correct explanation because
if there were such a civilization, there would be plentiful other
remnants of it to examine. And I don't mean Nike sneakers.
More artifacts
Lack of evidence, of course, has never deterred Hoagland in the
slightest. If he needs some, he invents it. Not just the so-called Face,
but a Sherman tank, a crashed spaceship in the side of a crater, bits
and pieces of machinery. These he has pointed to in images from previous
rovers. Now, with Curiosity offering superb image quality, he finds the
sneaker, a 100ft metal plate, and a printed circuit board ("looking
like it was exposed to a nuclear flash," he said, as if he knew
perfectly well what that would look like).
The man's mind simply doesn't work like yours and mine. He says
that NASA statements at press conferences are coded—"You have to know
how to read between the lines"2 (in other words, the statements can mean
whatever he wishes they meant.) Last night's runaway prize-winner for
zaniness was "We're dealing here with two separate missions, one all
about the usual geology and the other about the technology of the
ancient civilization" (not a verbatim quote but close). The image
of a duplicate "mission control" full of Hoagland clones gasping as the
next Nike sneaker comes into view had me guffawing into my pillow.
========================================
1] http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/2765/making-sense-of-mars-methane
2] He didn't say that last night. He said it about a JPL press conference on Vesta, which I blogged about at the time.
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Anonymous said...
Dear Richard C. (u next tuesday) Hoagland: please, for the love
of god, shut up. The sound of you loving the sound of your own voice on
an "international ground-breaking science" radio show is just so
pathetic. I know you love the ego-massaging from the brain dead callers
C2C allows on air, and I know Noory is your biggest fluffer-fanboy, but
please, just stop talking sh!t. You are not the eminent world expert on
everything, that you think you are.
Wait, what am I saying?! I
mean, -thank you!!- for taking it upon yourself to "get involved" with
the lying NASA - as you said, you have decided to promote yourself to
the position of representative for the entire C2C audience as the "press
core doesn't have the wit of out of the box thinking" to ask the key
questions and force the *real* issues - ONLY Captain Enterprise is
capable of such a thing and going toe-to-toe with these clueless NASA
jokers. I expect stunning confirmation of martian pyramids and alien
life by the end of the week, now that Richard C. Heavyweight is getting
involved.
Congrats on your being able to take a lovely December
cruise with your science sidekick - after all those hours you put in as a
Walmart greeter, and all those years of pioneering science, you deserve
the break. I'm so glad torsion waves don't disappear in winter like
methane does on Mars otherwise that trip might not be as ground-breaking
as we know it will be. Which of course reminds me of my favorite quote
from your show: "I have no idea what we're gonna see, George, but
basically it's gonna be extraordinary" - spoken like a TRUE scientist if
ever I heard one!! (And yes, I did have to listen to it a few times to
make sure I heard it right, word for word).
PS. I look forward to
seeing this photo of a "fossilized nike shoe" and computer circuitry
that you said you had - I know from your vast qualifications and
expertise in photography, there will be no doubt you are correct (I cite
the elenin forcefield overlay and the robot head on the moon as
evidence of my absolute certainty of the unquestionable credibility of
your photos).
Sounds like the usual Hoagland nonsense. Now he's down to anomaly
hunting in the land of Pareidolia, with a few side trips into the kind
of pulp sci fi cosmology that would make L. Ron Hubbard sue for copy
right infringement. Rather sad really. Anyway, that's another 2 hours
sleep you saved me Expat, so thanks.
November 3, 2012 3:09 PM
jourget said...
Indeed. Speaking of reading between the lines, no mention of the
confidently-predicted October surprise. Among RCH's most favored
non-tactics are either not mentioning his failed predictions at all, or
waiting until he has a chance to futz around with RedShift until it
shows he was right after all.
It doesn't seem as though he's
still excited about the reverse speech stuff he was on about back in the
late '90s. Back then, he didn't have to read between the lines of
officials' words, because reverse speech allowed him to hear it
firsthand.
Leave us all remember, that it was Richard C Hougland who
convinced the Heaven's Gate Cult, that object Hale-Bopp had a companion
vehicle, controlled by intelligent beings.
The result was, that 39 nerds in "Nikes", castrated themselves, then overdosed on reds washed down with vodka.
Amid all the highly controversial events surrounding Hale-Bopp's
initial March apparition (closest approach to Earth), none caused so
much furor as the contention, by some, that riding along with the comet
was some kind of companion, or--
A "starship."
The
"Heaven's gate" tragedy -- with its intimately connected and discredited
"UFO associations" -- was ultimately the overriding factor in
dismissing all such allegations out of hand. This was in addition to the
simple fact that these initial observational claims of "unnatural
objects ... moving in orbit with the comet," were eventually found to be
based on a) merely mistaken amateur observations of background stars,
seen briefly in optical proximity to Hale-Bopp, and b) publication of
deliberate photographic hoaxes.
Significantly, no
ultra-high-resolution images of Hale-Bopp when it was closest to the
Earth (in March), were ever "officially" secured by Hubble; the closest
NASA ST (Space Telescope) images were supposedly obtained over 6 months
before -- when the comet was still ~ .5 billion miles from Earth. Thus,
in the intervening 6 months the potential for Hubble being used "in
secret" -- and seeing something "totally anomalous" regarding Hale-Bopp,
thereby being the cause of Savage and Villard's otherwise completely
inexplicable sub-conscious utterances -- cannot be totally discounted.
Our
own Hale-Bopp analysis, in stark contrast, has been based in part on an
analysis of the basic orbital parameters of Hale-Bopp itself -- and the
discovery of a set of striking "pattern matches" with previous NASA
"hidden capabilities," and celestial mechanics--
All of which
seem intended to highlight, over and over again, the ritual observance
of the ancient Egyptian constellation of Osiris ("Orion") and
mythologically associated companion constellations and their brightest
stars ... such as Sirius ("Isis").
I do
remember Richard Hoagland on Art Bell saying that because NASA was
refusing to use the Hubble telescope to view Hale Bopp while it was at
its closest point to earth, that it could indicate that Hale Bopp was
artificial, perhaps a vehicle being driven by astronauts, something
placed by NASA in the sky to cover up that there was no real comet, why
else the refusal to focus the Hubble on it, and their argument that it
would reflect too much light he also countered by saying they had imaged
other bright objects with no problem, so why the refusal of this once
in a lifetime opportunity to view "the most spectacular comet ever" with
our best telescope, the Hubble. I looked on enterprisemission for an
article related to that Art Bell show and didn't find the artificial
theory in writing, but I well remember that show, which related to this
article http://www.enterprisemission.com/nasabell.html. Also see other
4/97 links at http://www.enterprisemission.com/bridge.html
The Art Bell Web Page #1 Late Night Talk Radio Program http://www.artbell.com/
NASA Images from NASA
Whitley Strieber UFO News!
November 3, 2012 8:53 PM
Anonymous said...
Ah yes, heavensgate, where a bunch of Hoagland-esq shills,
propelled to national celebrity status inadvertently trigger a mass
suicide.
Fools like Hoagy are tangibly dangerous to the more gullible and disassociated aspects of our society.
Simply
put, the lies of characters like Hoagland and Bara can have serious
implications for those ignorant or weak minded fools who listen and
believe wholeheartedly and uncritically.
Heaven's Gate was creepy! Those guys were rich and talented Engineer types. I'm thoroughly confused.
November 4, 2012 12:40 AM
Tara Jordan said...
Richard C Hoagland,Ed Dames and Dr Courtney Brown from Emory
University, all share responsibility for the Heaven's Gate tragedy.
Marshall Applewhite was already on a dangerous path, but the publicity
surrounding (courtesy of Art Bell promotion) the "Hale-Bopp Companion"
story was extremely influential on his feeble mind.These despicable
characters are "accessory to mass murder" & should be brought before
a court of justice
November 4, 2012 12:46 AM
Tara Jordan said...
There is something such as Irony: Mike Bara "... And when has Ed Dames ever been right about anything?.." October 25 at 2:56am
no ultra-high-resolution images of Hale-Bopp when it was closest to the Earth
It was a fuzzy object. Think for one second.
November 4, 2012 3:32 AM
Strahlungsamt said...
I'm so sick of hearing woo peddlers spinning the word "CONTROVERSIAL".
Whenever I hear that word, I substitute the word "BULLSHIT" and stop reading.
November 4, 2012 3:56 AM
Anonymous said...
It seems you were wrong, Expat. HERE is the real Nike shoe on Mars... http://i47.tinypic.com/30argvm.jpg
[insert dramatic musical sound effect here]
I
can speak with some authority on this as I happen to be fully qualified
in the field of rockology and I can say with absolute certainty from my
first hand experience of seeing every single rock in the entire
universe, that this is 100% a Nike shoe. There is absolutely no chance
whatsoever this could be a natural rock - rocks simply cannot take on
that shape.
In fact, if you look real close, just behind it, you
can see the fossilized remains of the 65 million year old NBA star who
was promoting said footwear just before Mars was hit by the death star
and invaded by storm troopers.
Richard C Hoagland is un-remorseful about his complicity in the
Heaven's Gate tragedy, but perhaps he is in denial about it. Therefore,
it follows, that if a Nike can be found on Mars, then perhaps the
deceased really did beam up to the Hale-Bopp Companion, and were then
dropped off on Mars, where one of them lost a shoe.
Hypothetically,
this could be possible, considering how angels can materialize, fully
clothed, and be able to blend in with any society that they might chose
to visit.
Has Hoagland ever admitted to being wrong about anything?
How many more people have to die, because of Hoagland's musings?
Bioillogical Eunuch, for once you present a very interesting
question. Why aren't there any clear images of Hale-Bopp? How could
there possibly NOT be any? NASA and clients of most observatories must
certainly have some excellent, clear, high resolution, close ups of
Hale-Bopp.
All scientific models, to be deemed
"scientific," must be testable; in other words, they must contain
specific predictions against which later observations ultimately can be
compared. Van Flandern's developing model of "a planet that one day
decided to blow up" turned out to contain ample observational
predictions (apart from the resulting solar system orbits of the
"pieces"); the most striking prediction was that both comets and
asteroids, if they originated as fragments of a formerly "exploding"
planet, should have company... they should be intimately associated with
a cloud of orbiting companion fragments -- all circling around each
other, as the center of gravity of each resulting "fragment cloud" also
orbits the center of the solar system.
Because both asteroids and
comets are literally only miles across (as opposed to planets, which
measure thousands of times larger), directly seeing these tiny orbiting
companions from the Earth has proven all-but-impossible. Historical
"occultation" observations of asteroids, as they pass across chance
background stars, has only given tantalizing hints of the existence of
such invisible companions ("asteroid satellites," as they've been
termed), causing some stars to blink on an off rapidly during rare
encounters; are these tiny satellites, briefly obscuring background
starlight in "satellite eclipses," as the fragments pass across the
star? No one's really sure. What's occurring deep inside a comet --
pictured in Van Flandern's model also as a similar host of "whirling
fragments" circling each other (above), but this time generating clouds
of evaporated water and other gasses as they are heated by strong
sunlight, that ultimately expands as visible cometary "tails" typically
measuring millions of times longer -- is even more impossible to
accurately determine with existing observations... at least so far, from
Earth.
Thus, in lieu of this hoped-for "one-on-one debate" with Dr.
Weiler, Dr. Van Flandern and I have decided to annotate NASA's original
"Art Bell fax" (below) -- to provide documented evidence, across the
World Wide Web, of the major mis-statements it contains. After posting,
it will be up to Art's listeners and other concerned American citizens
to act ...
NASA:
"...your guest said that Hubble has not been used to observe Hale-Bopp,
or perhaps it had, but we were 'hiding' the images..."
Hoagland:
In fact, initially, we stated precisely the opposite: that Hubble
(according to official NASA press releases) had last been used to
observe Hale-Bopp on October 17, 1996... over 7 months before its
closest (thus, highest value) passage to the sun and Earth, on April 1,
1997. NASA's release of March 27, 1997 (see below) affirms this fact.
evaporated water and other gasses as they are heated by strong sunlight
This is what Expat and the NASA types believe, which is WRONG! Comets discharge ELECTRICALLY!
November 4, 2012 4:05 PM
Tara Jordan said...
@Expat I am quite bored & out of nasty epithets for
Richard C Bugland & his lapdog crony Mike Bara.Can we change the
subject for a while?. I have a great story about taking this so called
young "spiritist" to Aokigahara. Of course I personally did not
experienced anything even remotely paranormal (we found human bones but
considering the place,that comes with the territory...), although the
"spiritualist suffered a major breakdown ;)
Come on Misti,show some biological solidarity ;) I was trying to
show off.I actually spent an afternoon & a night into the world"
most haunted forest",Real life Blair Witch Project experience :)
Hoagland is right about NASA lying about images of Hale-Bopp, but
that doesn't make him right about the Heaven's Gate Cult surviving
their suicidal mission.
As I recall, it's Hoagland's theory that Applewhite was actually
CIA, and the cult thing was an operation designed to discredit other (as
in his) "comet as spaceship" theories. Yep, the CIA caused the deaths
of dozens of young men and women just to make our little Ricky look bad.
He's just that damn important.
The media covering this story presented most of the initial facts
incorrectly, as usual. Heaven's Gate started back in the 1970s, and I
highly recommend that people who are interested in its early history
read Jacques Vallee's Messengers of Deception, who documented the
techniques of the flying saucer 'missionaries' "Bo" and "Peep" back in
1975, when they were calling their group "Human Individual
Metamorphosis." (Besides HG, there have been many UFO-based religions,
including the Raelians and "UMMO.") The basic fact is that most of the
members of HIM/Heaven's Gate were middle-aged, of both genders, and
recruited from college campuses back in the 60s and 70s. Even back in
1975, Applewhite's doctrines emphasized the transience of the human
form, and the abnegation of physicality.
Reading "MoD" may be a
good thing for another reason, because Vallee makes two critical points
that are as important today as they were back then. One is that many of
the "flying saucer cults" may be the product of intelligence agencies
wishing to test psychological warfare techniques. Many people have
compared HG to Jonestown, which has also been suspected of being a CIA
'project.' However, Jonestown remains a different creature for one
important reason: there were many cult members who were killed quite
involuntarily by machine guns when they refused the poisoned kool-aid,
whereas it appears that all HG members consented to their cocktail of
barbiturates and vodka in order to shed their "containers" for the
coming spacecraft. But HG, like Jonestown, might have been a 'test' to
see how long a cult could be kept 'underground' before being 'activated'
-- or, more properly, 'deactivated.'
Another is that the
existence of groups with irrational beliefs about UFOs is a good reason
to intensify rational inquiry of the phenomenon, rather than curtail it.
Suppression and ridicule of scientific inquiry of the UFO phenomenon
leaves it in the hands of the irrational, unscientific, and fanatical;
worse, in the hands of people who may want to use it as a belief system
for manipulating and controlling people's actions. Hillary Clinton
committed typical fallacious reasoning by lumping together HG with
interest in UFOs, because groups who believe dogmatically in
extraterrestrial salvation are not the same thing as groups who are
interested in rational inquiry of an unknown phenomenon.
James Oberg is a perfect example of the sort of someone who engages in:
"Suppression
and ridicule of scientific inquiry of the UFO phenomenon leaves it in
the hands of the irrational, unscientific, and fanatical; worse, in the
hands of people who may want to use it as a belief system for
manipulating and controlling people's actions."
Hoagland is right in criticizing NASA, but then he goes way
overboard, by proclaiming Nikes on Mars. The you guys ridicule Hoagland
and everybody forgets about the crap that NASA pulls.
""There's a sneaker on Mars" --Richard C. Hoagland, last night on Coast to Coast AM"
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[Image] credit: NASA/JPL
Update: This may not be "the authentic" sneakerpic. See comment by Anonymous, comment #15.
You have to wonder about the mental age of his audience, who apparently didn't stop to think a) How Hoagland knew it was a Nike, or b) WTF a sneaker of any kind would be doing on Mars, where they don't play basketball or even tennis.
However, the primary sujet du jour was not sports footwear, but methane.
Methane on Mars "The bottom line is that we have no detection of methane so far," said Chris Webster at a JPL press conference yesterday. Webster is the man on the Tunable Laser Spectrometer, which could have detected methane at a concentration as low as 10 parts per billion, if it had been present. Richard Hoagland was hustled (or maybe hustled himself) onto the radio show to comment.
Hoagland, actually, did not get it all wrong. He reminded us that methane in the Martian atmosphere appears to be a seasonal phenom, and Curiosity is in winter conditions right now. He said "this is a first look, just one data point." All that is true. He reminded us that micro-biological activity is not the only possible explanation for the emanations, and that the true test will come if and when the JPL boffins can detect which carbon isotope Martian methane favors (C12 would be a strong indicator for biology rather than volcanism.) True again1. Well done.
If only he'd stopped there, we could all have gone back to sleep a little wiser. But no, he had to spoil it in the second hour by proposing a third possible methane theory—namely, that the gas was periodically oozing out of the long-buried rotting remains of the Great Martian Civilization that built the Face at Owen Mesa before being obliterated by a planet-busting impact 65 million years ago. That, of course, has no chance whatever of being the correct explanation because if there were such a civilization, there would be plentiful other remnants of it to examine. And I don't mean Nike sneakers.
More artifacts Lack of evidence, of course, has never deterred Hoagland in the slightest. If he needs some, he invents it. Not just the so-called Face, but a Sherman tank, a crashed spaceship in the side of a crater, bits and pieces of machinery. These he has pointed to in images from previous rovers. Now, with Curiosity offering superb image quality, he finds the sneaker, a 100ft metal plate, and a printed circuit board ("looking like it was exposed to a nuclear flash," he said, as if he knew perfectly well what that would look like).
The man's mind simply doesn't work like yours and mine. He says that NASA statements at press conferences are coded—"You have to know how to read between the lines"2 (in other words, the statements can mean whatever he wishes they meant.) Last night's runaway prize-winner for zaniness was "We're dealing here with two separate missions, one all about the usual geology and the other about the technology of the ancient civilization" (not a verbatim quote but close). The image of a duplicate "mission control" full of Hoagland clones gasping as the next Nike sneaker comes into view had me guffawing into my pillow.
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1] http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/2765/making-sense-of-mars-methane
2] He didn't say that last night. He said it about a JPL press conference on Vesta, which I blogged about at the time.
Wait, what am I saying?! I mean, -thank you!!- for taking it upon yourself to "get involved" with the lying NASA - as you said, you have decided to promote yourself to the position of representative for the entire C2C audience as the "press core doesn't have the wit of out of the box thinking" to ask the key questions and force the *real* issues - ONLY Captain Enterprise is capable of such a thing and going toe-to-toe with these clueless NASA jokers. I expect stunning confirmation of martian pyramids and alien life by the end of the week, now that Richard C. Heavyweight is getting involved.
Congrats on your being able to take a lovely December cruise with your science sidekick - after all those hours you put in as a Walmart greeter, and all those years of pioneering science, you deserve the break. I'm so glad torsion waves don't disappear in winter like methane does on Mars otherwise that trip might not be as ground-breaking as we know it will be. Which of course reminds me of my favorite quote from your show: "I have no idea what we're gonna see, George, but basically it's gonna be extraordinary" - spoken like a TRUE scientist if ever I heard one!! (And yes, I did have to listen to it a few times to make sure I heard it right, word for word).
PS. I look forward to seeing this photo of a "fossilized nike shoe" and computer circuitry that you said you had - I know from your vast qualifications and expertise in photography, there will be no doubt you are correct (I cite the elenin forcefield overlay and the robot head on the moon as evidence of my absolute certainty of the unquestionable credibility of your photos).
Go team Hoagie!
It doesn't seem as though he's still excited about the reverse speech stuff he was on about back in the late '90s. Back then, he didn't have to read between the lines of officials' words, because reverse speech allowed him to hear it firsthand.
The Log on Mars.
Presented without further comment.
The result was, that 39 nerds in "Nikes", castrated themselves, then overdosed on reds washed down with vodka.
A "starship."
The "Heaven's gate" tragedy -- with its intimately connected and discredited "UFO associations" -- was ultimately the overriding factor in dismissing all such allegations out of hand. This was in addition to the simple fact that these initial observational claims of "unnatural objects ... moving in orbit with the comet," were eventually found to be based on a) merely mistaken amateur observations of background stars, seen briefly in optical proximity to Hale-Bopp, and b) publication of deliberate photographic hoaxes.
Significantly, no ultra-high-resolution images of Hale-Bopp when it was closest to the Earth (in March), were ever "officially" secured by Hubble; the closest NASA ST (Space Telescope) images were supposedly obtained over 6 months before -- when the comet was still ~ .5 billion miles from Earth. Thus, in the intervening 6 months the potential for Hubble being used "in secret" -- and seeing something "totally anomalous" regarding Hale-Bopp, thereby being the cause of Savage and Villard's otherwise completely inexplicable sub-conscious utterances -- cannot be totally discounted.
Our own Hale-Bopp analysis, in stark contrast, has been based in part on an analysis of the basic orbital parameters of Hale-Bopp itself -- and the discovery of a set of striking "pattern matches" with previous NASA "hidden capabilities," and celestial mechanics--
All of which seem intended to highlight, over and over again, the ritual observance of the ancient Egyptian constellation of Osiris ("Orion") and mythologically associated companion constellations and their brightest stars ... such as Sirius ("Isis").
http://www.enterprisemission.com/predict2.html
http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx433.htm
I do remember Richard Hoagland on Art Bell saying that because NASA was refusing to use the Hubble telescope to view Hale Bopp while it was at its closest point to earth, that it could indicate that Hale Bopp was artificial, perhaps a vehicle being driven by astronauts, something placed by NASA in the sky to cover up that there was no real comet, why else the refusal to focus the Hubble on it, and their argument that it would reflect too much light he also countered by saying they had imaged other bright objects with no problem, so why the refusal of this once in a lifetime opportunity to view "the most spectacular comet ever" with our best telescope, the Hubble. I looked on enterprisemission for an article related to that Art Bell show and didn't find the artificial theory in writing, but I well remember that show, which related to this article http://www.enterprisemission.com/nasabell.html. Also see other 4/97 links at http://www.enterprisemission.com/bridge.html
Interesting Links
(Other web sites that we feel address related or connecting topics)
Chuck Shramek's Hale-Bopp Companion Page Hale-Bopp Companion
The Art Bell Web Page #1 Late Night Talk Radio Program
http://www.artbell.com/
NASA Images from NASA
Whitley Strieber UFO News!
Fools like Hoagy are tangibly dangerous to the more gullible and disassociated aspects of our society.
Simply put, the lies of characters like Hoagland and Bara can have serious implications for those ignorant or weak minded fools who listen and believe wholeheartedly and uncritically.
Mike Bara "... And when has Ed Dames ever been right about anything?.." October 25 at 2:56am
It was a fuzzy object. Think for one second.
Whenever I hear that word, I substitute the word "BULLSHIT" and stop reading.
[insert dramatic musical sound effect here]
I can speak with some authority on this as I happen to be fully qualified in the field of rockology and I can say with absolute certainty from my first hand experience of seeing every single rock in the entire universe, that this is 100% a Nike shoe. There is absolutely no chance whatsoever this could be a natural rock - rocks simply cannot take on that shape.
In fact, if you look real close, just behind it, you can see the fossilized remains of the 65 million year old NBA star who was promoting said footwear just before Mars was hit by the death star and invaded by storm troopers.
All right guys. You can give it up and go home now. All NASA's Mars missions are fakes.
The Flat Earth Society says so.
(They also share Hoagland's misconceptions about false color photography but who cares about that?)
Hypothetically, this could be possible, considering how angels can materialize, fully clothed, and be able to blend in with any society that they might chose to visit.
Has Hoagland ever admitted to being wrong about anything?
How many more people have to die, because of Hoagland's musings?
All scientific models, to be deemed "scientific," must be testable; in other words, they must contain specific predictions against which later observations ultimately can be compared. Van Flandern's developing model of "a planet that one day decided to blow up" turned out to contain ample observational predictions (apart from the resulting solar system orbits of the "pieces"); the most striking prediction was that both comets and asteroids, if they originated as fragments of a formerly "exploding" planet, should have company... they should be intimately associated with a cloud of orbiting companion fragments -- all circling around each other, as the center of gravity of each resulting "fragment cloud" also orbits the center of the solar system.
Because both asteroids and comets are literally only miles across (as opposed to planets, which measure thousands of times larger), directly seeing these tiny orbiting companions from the Earth has proven all-but-impossible. Historical "occultation" observations of asteroids, as they pass across chance background stars, has only given tantalizing hints of the existence of such invisible companions ("asteroid satellites," as they've been termed), causing some stars to blink on an off rapidly during rare encounters; are these tiny satellites, briefly obscuring background starlight in "satellite eclipses," as the fragments pass across the star? No one's really sure. What's occurring deep inside a comet -- pictured in Van Flandern's model also as a similar host of "whirling fragments" circling each other (above), but this time generating clouds of evaporated water and other gasses as they are heated by strong sunlight, that ultimately expands as visible cometary "tails" typically measuring millions of times longer -- is even more impossible to accurately determine with existing observations... at least so far, from Earth.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/comets.html
THERE ARE CLEAR IMAGES OF THIS FUZZY OBJECT - A COMET - WHICH IS FUZZY BECAUSE IT'S A COMET
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/nasabell1.gif
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/nasabell2.gif
The Response
NASA: "...your guest said that Hubble has not been used to observe Hale-Bopp, or perhaps it had, but we were 'hiding' the images..."
Hoagland: In fact, initially, we stated precisely the opposite: that Hubble (according to official NASA press releases) had last been used to observe Hale-Bopp on October 17, 1996... over 7 months before its closest (thus, highest value) passage to the sun and Earth, on April 1, 1997. NASA's release of March 27, 1997 (see below) affirms this fact.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/nasabell.html
This is what Expat and the NASA types believe, which is WRONG! Comets discharge ELECTRICALLY!
I am quite bored & out of nasty epithets for Richard C Bugland & his lapdog crony Mike Bara.Can we change the subject for a while?. I have a great story about taking this so called young "spiritist" to Aokigahara. Of course I personally did not experienced anything even remotely paranormal (we found human bones but considering the place,that comes with the territory...), although the "spiritualist suffered a major breakdown ;)
It's not popular, but there is more acceptance of Electricity in Space amongst Space Scientists.
Topher, citation?
Reading "MoD" may be a good thing for another reason, because Vallee makes two critical points that are as important today as they were back then. One is that many of the "flying saucer cults" may be the product of intelligence agencies wishing to test psychological warfare techniques. Many people have compared HG to Jonestown, which has also been suspected of being a CIA 'project.' However, Jonestown remains a different creature for one important reason: there were many cult members who were killed quite involuntarily by machine guns when they refused the poisoned kool-aid, whereas it appears that all HG members consented to their cocktail of barbiturates and vodka in order to shed their "containers" for the coming spacecraft. But HG, like Jonestown, might have been a 'test' to see how long a cult could be kept 'underground' before being 'activated' -- or, more properly, 'deactivated.'
Another is that the existence of groups with irrational beliefs about UFOs is a good reason to intensify rational inquiry of the phenomenon, rather than curtail it. Suppression and ridicule of scientific inquiry of the UFO phenomenon leaves it in the hands of the irrational, unscientific, and fanatical; worse, in the hands of people who may want to use it as a belief system for manipulating and controlling people's actions. Hillary Clinton committed typical fallacious reasoning by lumping together HG with interest in UFOs, because groups who believe dogmatically in extraterrestrial salvation are not the same thing as groups who are interested in rational inquiry of an unknown phenomenon.
http://web.archive.org/web/20100421121328/http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/heavensgate.html
"Suppression and ridicule of scientific inquiry of the UFO phenomenon leaves it in the hands of the irrational, unscientific, and fanatical; worse, in the hands of people who may want to use it as a belief system for manipulating and controlling people's actions."
Goldman Sachs is far worse! Their crimes are boring, however.
Bioillogical Eunuch John Cooper.